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Luc Chatel

Luc Chatel est décidément un bien mauvais élève. Après avoir flirté avec les discours pédagogistes les plus à gauche sur la "discrimination" que les épreuves des concours de grande école entraineraient et soutenu que le gouvernement entendait "imposer sa politique" de quotas dans les grandes écoles, il se fait prendre en flagrant délit de copier-coller...

Lors d'une réponse à une question de Christian Vanneste (député UMP) sur le chèque éducation, M. Chatel a repris, mot pour mot et sans le citer bien sur, partie du contenu d'un article disponible sur Wikibéral.

Voici le texte de la réponse écrite de Luc Chatel, selon l'Assemblée Nationale (les gras sont de moi) :

Il existe, au niveau international, plusieurs types de « chèque scolaire », communément appelés « chèque éducation », mais ils partagent une caractéristique commune : au lieu que les établissements scolaires soient directement subventionnés, ce sont les parents qui reçoivent un chèque dont le montant représente le coût de l'éducation de leurs enfants.

Ils sont libres de le remettre à l'établissement de leur choix qui percevra la somme correspondante. Ils sont libres de le remettre à l'établissement de leur choix qui percevra la somme correspondante. Ce système a été initialement développé en 1990, dans la ville de Milwaukee (États-Unis) sous le nom de « school vouchers » et a depuis été mis en place au Chili, en Suède, aux Pays-Bas, à Hong-Kong et dans plusieurs autres États des États-Unis. Il a par ailleurs été expérimenté, puis abandonné, au Royaume-Uni."

Et voici le texte de l'article de Wikibéral

Il existe plusieurs types de chèque éducation, mais ils partagent une caractéristique commune : Au lieu de subventionner directement les établissements scolaires, ce sont les parents qui reçoivent par un chèque éducation l'argent qui est destiné à l'éducation de leurs enfants. Ils choisissent après à quelle école ils souhaitent donner ce « chèque ».

[...]De nombreux pays ont mis en place ce système: Chili, Suède, Royaume-Uni, Pays-Bas, Hong Kong, États-Unis. Au Royaume-Uni, une première expérimentation a été tentée mais finalement non mise en place par Keith Joseph sous le gouvernement Thatcher. La Suède l'a mis en place en 1992, l'année de la suppression de la carte scolaire dans le pays[2].

Aux États-Unis, le système du chèque éducation se met progressivement en place dans certains états. En 1990, Milwaukee a inauguré un tel système, qui n'a cessé de se développer depuis. Il ne bénéficiait initialement qu'à 337 élèves pour l'année scolaire 1990-1991. Pour 2006-2007, ce sont 17.275 élèves qui, dans la ville, en bénéficient.
On ne peut que se réjouir du fait que le porte parole du gouvernement lise Wikibéral.Cependant, violer ainsi le droit d'auteur et se livrer à du plagiat ainsi, alors que le texte sera publié au Journal Officiel, est particulièrement regrettable. Les licences libres ont leur particularités, explicitées, et la licence Creative Commons paternité 3.0 signifie que la réutilisation du contenu est libre, tant que la source est mentionnée. Alors que l'éducation nationale reproche régulièrement aux élèves de plagier sur internet, son ministre est bien loin de la perfection lui même.

J'espère voir publier un rectificatif sur le site de l'assemblée prochainement, pour mettre un terme à ce viol de copyright...


Edit : message légèrement corrigé à la suite du commentaire de Sekonda.

142 commentaires:

marchange a dit…

Excellent !

Comment l'as-tu grillé ?

Sekonda a dit…

En plus le rédacteur ajoute des tournures moches : «au lieu que».

Au passage, cela nous permet d'apprendre que Vanneste est pour les C.E. : « Si l'enseignement privé est surtout privé de moyens, l'enseignement public a besoin de liberté et d'autorité. L'excellente idée d'un chèque éducation pourrait rendre réelle une liberté aujourd’hui virtuelle. Chaque famille, munie de ce chèque, choisirait son école, qui disposerait des deniers publics en proportion des inscrits »
http://www.lelotenaction.org/rubrique,sauvons-l-ecole,473456.html

Sekonda a dit…

Est-ce que les réponses aux questions écrites sont bien lues à l'assemblée et non pas juste publiées au JO ?

Lexington a dit…

Sekonda, tu as probablement raison sur le fait que ce ne soit pas lu à l'Assemblée. Je n'ai pas de moyen de vérifier. Tu en as?

Sekonda a dit…

Je n'ai pas trouvé d'information claire - d'où mon doute - mais le réglement de l'AN ne parle pas de réponse orale (Art. 135).
http://www.assemblee-nationale.fr/connaissance/reglement.asp#P1627_222603

Lexington a dit…

Désolé marc je ne t'avais pas répondu. Grillé par hasard en lisant le post de Roman sur la réponse de Chatel.

Klaire a dit…

Waha. Faites ce que je Wikidis, pas ce que je Wikifais..

Unknown a dit…

D'ailleurs Chatel a fait parti du bureau politique de Démocratie Libérale en 1998...

BiG a dit…

Je me demande si nos ministres lisent aussi Conservapedia, le modèle anglo saxon de Wikibéral.

Unknown a dit…

Bof... Parler de plagiat dans ce cas précis me semble un peu excessif... Luc Chatel (ou son assistant parlementaire) s'est probablement documenté en vitesse sur Wikibéral, et rédigé son texte dans la foulée sans faire trop gaffe qu'il reprenait presque les mêmes formules. Il n'y a pas 36000 manières de tourner une phrase. Pas de quoi fouetter un chat, surtout par rapport à ce qu'ont déjà commis l'UMP et ses sbires...

Lexington a dit…

La définition de plagiat répond très exactement à ce cas, tout du moins selon la définition wikipédia ;)

Unknown a dit…

Mouais, je ne suis convaincu qu'à moitié... Et pourtant croyez moi, j'aurais aimé que ce gouvernement se discrédite encore davantage sur la question... Quelques phrases isolées (mal) reformulées, vous avouerez tout de même que c'est une bagatelle par rapport à un Fredo Lefebvre qui repompe carremment tout un papier ou l'UMP qui se sert dans les créations musicales de la Star'Ac quebecoise...

Non, ce qui me choque plus, en revanche, c'est l'origine du texte: je viens de découvrir qu'il existe une sorte de fork libéral de Wikipédia. Ca, ça fait peur!

Unknown a dit…

Revue de presse de France Inter ce matin à 8h30 : le journaliste cite l'article de Rue 89 qui lui-même cite votre blog et indique que le sieur Chatel a copié Wikipedia.

Bravo pour la fidélité de l'information...

Clou, Ptit Lou, BidiGlou... a dit…

Bien joué! Quel talent!
Mais si je peux me permettre un bémol, je pense que t'as surtout réussi à faire virer l'attaché parlementaire de Luc Chatel qui a du écrire le papier en 2-2 entre mille autres choses pour un salaire foireux (et oui, les attachés parlementaires sont librement rémunérés par leur député). accablé par la masse de travail, le pauvre attaché a du se rabattre sur Wikibéral...

Unknown a dit…

Maintenant, Lexington, il va te falloir capitaliser sur ton succès ;)

TheTruthIsOutThere a dit…

Si vous connaissiez un tant soi peu le fonctionnement d'un ministère, vous sauriez que les réponses sont rédigées par les collaborateurs de cabinets (pour les notes à fort contenu politique) ou par les services administratifs (donc des fonctionnaires indépendants de la couleur politique du Ministre) pour les détails un peu plus techniques (ce qui est le cas ici).

De plus, dans le cas des questions écrites (ici posée par ce scandale vivant qu'est Vanneste), la réponse est rarement (des fois, jamais) connue du Ministre intéressé, et pour cause, puisque le nombre de QE adressées par les députés se monte à environ 15000 par an, sachant que le Ministre concerné doit publier une réponse dans le mois qui suit. Le Ministre signe donc un parapheur rempli de réponses, pour publication au JO. Mais des fois sans savoir ce qu'il signe.

C'est un problème de notre démocratie, où l'abus des QE par les parlementaires mène les Ministres à devoir faire de l'abattage et parfois, jusqu'à ignorer le contenu même de ce qu'ils signent.

Donc il ne s'agit en aucun cas de la faute de Chatel, ni de son assistant parlementaire, mais d'un fonctionnaire des services qui a du aller chercher les infos sur un sujet qu'il ne connaissait pas réellement là où il peut, et là où tout le monde va désormais : le Net.

Et comme c'est un fonctionnaire, personne ne peut le virer pour sa bourde =)

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